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Post by AREA666 on Jun 11, 2008 5:51:35 GMT -5
So for the fun of it I figured people can list things they hate in here. The idea though is that it would be popular things you hate, so that other people around here can get upset and wonder why you hate these things they love.
For me I hate the following...
Sports Ipods Angelina Jolie South Park All Reality TV Shows World Of Warcraft or Blizzard Games In General
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Post by korialstraz on Jun 11, 2008 6:11:52 GMT -5
I have to agree on sports, Ipods, reality TV shows and Wow.
I strongly disagree on South Park and Blizzard games though. Diablo 2 is THE best game of all time when it comes to fast paces hack and slash action rpg games. Just try and name 1 other game with thousands of players and still (although it takes a long time) gets patches and with servers supported by the company after 8 years of playing. There is not many of those (non I can name), and SC was one of the greatest rts games created, though I'm more of a WC player. WC2 was good, but it was WC3 that really captured my attention.
Other things I hate... Hmm difficult one but... People who think those with some computer knowlage can fix a comp over the phone based on a vague discription of "it doesn't work". And that's a common thing to happen for me, though not always over the phone, most of the time I can take a look at the comp and figure out what's wrong.
Though I have to say football (soccer) is just a poor excuse of a sport forgay people to run around and hug/kiss eachother whenever someone scores. And come on, all the guys are trying to get that one ball LOL! ;D
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Post by AREA666 on Jun 11, 2008 6:52:09 GMT -5
Awesome, fun times, now I get to defend myself, which is as planned.
Since you wanted to talk about Blizzard games I will put it this way. I do respect Diablo myself, since without it there would likely not be a Sacred, and to me I think Sacred is much better. When Diablo came out I did not like the action RPG games, so I was having much more fun back then playing games like Baldurs Gate. As for other games that get supported long after they come out, I would have to say it really all depends on if the game is still played or not. I do not play any games that are really old, so none of mine still have patches, but the thing with patches is that they are not good things really since they fix bugs, so I could argue that patches still being released after 8 years show the game is still not good. As for other Blizzard games I think that Star Craft is horrible, other than the story though which I did find fun. When it came out it was already really outdated to me. There was never enough units in the game, and Blizzards obsession with perfect balance ruins it for me. I like there being not a total balance in games like that since once you are perfect there is no fun. Somebody sends a unit after you and you know how to perfectly counter it. I do realize the game is still largely popular overseas, and I think that is is largely due actually to the balance since you have to really really understand how it works to get an upperhand. What makes me happy though is that when you look at the top RTS games out there that Star Craft is not the top one all the time, sometimes my favorite one called Total Annihilation is at the top, and it is not a very well known one. Other games that Blizzard has, I can not really comment on the Warcraft games since I never played them, but again, I do respect like the old Warcraft 2 and such since they helped to get the RTS genera going. The only other game is WoW, which I think is one of the most horrible games ever created since it looks bad, could only keep me happy for about an hour, and just really does not play like I think an RPG should. I really can not put what I think is why I hate it so much, but there is just something about how it is done, oh and the control scheme I think is the most needlessly complicated one I have ever used.
You did not give me anything to go off of for Southpark, but I just do not like it mainly due to it being on a cable network. When the series first came out I actually enjoyed it, but as it moved on I found that it seemed the people did not have to be as creative as needed to be funny, and relied too much on simple vulgarity. Now that can be fun for a while, but it quickly got too similar for me. I like shows that are on stations that have more strict rules since then the creators have to find ways to get things past the censorship groups. I know lots of people like it, and will not agree with me, but that is the idea. Like I love the Simpsons, but I found, through Sacred, that many people overseas hate it and do not understand why anybody would like it, and I think that it is due to most of the comedy in it being geared towards making fun of Americans, so it does not translate well, but that is something that Southpark could do well with its more simple humor that all could enjoy, so it does have that advantage.
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Post by griffman on Jun 11, 2008 9:30:34 GMT -5
I disagree on the respect of Sports - and occasionally South Park.
I have always been an athlete, playing sports since I was able to walk. There are pictures of me at like 2 years old with a baseball bat hitting a ball thrown to me... I cannot stand to watch sports however, so if that is what you are talking about I guess I can't really disagree. Playing sports has kept me in shape basically up until the point where I stopped, and although it hasn't really taught me anything it was a great way to pass time and meet people. I still occasionally play tennis, and I've been trying to get a few friends together to play a pickup game of soccer.
South Park goes both ways for me. I agree they are distasteful with a lot of their comedy, leaving it just up to vulgarity to be funny. Occasionally though they will have a good episode, but you can usually tell within 5 minutes if its going to be good or not. A lot of the older stuff is better than the newer, but even then I'd say at best it was 50/50.
Things I hate: People People driving People shopping Pants Underwear Angelina Jolie People that are obsessed with a certain (or a few) actor/actress Women that have that raspy babyish voice My watch
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Post by Ari’laftia on Jun 11, 2008 10:25:30 GMT -5
Hmm Lets see...
Things I hate... liars cheaters users Women who assist liars, cheaters, and users Stinky cheese chipotle (burns my lungs no matter what its cooked in) Rap/hiphop bible thumpers
World of Warcraft!!!!!! Used to not mind it... But dont even ask my view on it now...
hmmmm.... Know theres more.. But Im not as bitter today as I was yesterday
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Post by Night Ω Wolfe on Jun 11, 2008 10:32:11 GMT -5
Okay I will agree with you guys that South Park is really vulgar, but I love it anyway! It endlessly amuses me how far they'll go and the creative ways they come up with to make fun of and/or trash just about everyone. As for sports, I am definitely NOT an athlete by any means, but I totally get why people enjoy quite a few sports. Playing them I mean, heck it is good exercise, it makes you push and test yourself constantly, competitiveness can be tons of fun, etc. Watching sports however is just the mostly boring thing EVER in my opinion, with a very few exceptions. I DO enjoy watching certain sports like figure skating, skateboarding, etc. but only during the parts where they pull off really cool tricks. Watching a ton of men run around a field all sweating and throwing a ball around though is just beyond me. Talk about a gay sport? Ultimate Fighting Championship is one of the gayest! Two grown men in speedos rolling around on the floor trying to pin each other! God, my husband loves UFC and I keep calling it his gay porn haha. Okay things I hate: Video games that make you pay a monthly fee to play them! Elderly drivers. People who talk on their cell phone while driving and nearly hit me or cut me off. Reality TV Shows People who get pissed when you expect them to take responsibility for their actions. Snow! Jehovah Witnesses harassing me at my home in order to convert me! The people at Dunkin Donuts that don't speak enough English to get my freakin' coffee right and then understand me when I try to tell them it's wrong. People who don't do their jobs right and yet don't get fired. (Like my freakin' mail delivery person who is CONSTANTLY misdelivering the mail which has now cost me over $100 and may have cost me some awesome S2 promo item this week!!!!)
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Post by korialstraz on Jun 11, 2008 11:55:48 GMT -5
This is turning into a very interesting thread! Awesome, fun times, now I get to defend myself, which is as planned. Since you wanted to talk about Blizzard games I will put it this way. I do respect Diablo myself, since without it there would likely not be a Sacred, and to me I think Sacred is much better. When Diablo came out I did not like the action RPG games, so I was having much more fun back then playing games like Baldurs Gate. As for other games that get supported long after they come out, I would have to say it really all depends on if the game is still played or not. I do not play any games that are really old, so none of mine still have patches, but the thing with patches is that they are not good things really since they fix bugs, so I could argue that patches still being released after 8 years show the game is still not good. As for other Blizzard games I think that Star Craft is horrible, other than the story though which I did find fun. When it came out it was already really outdated to me. There was never enough units in the game, and Blizzards obsession with perfect balance ruins it for me. I like there being not a total balance in games like that since once you are perfect there is no fun. Somebody sends a unit after you and you know how to perfectly counter it. I do realize the game is still largely popular overseas, and I think that is is largely due actually to the balance since you have to really really understand how it works to get an upperhand. What makes me happy though is that when you look at the top RTS games out there that Star Craft is not the top one all the time, sometimes my favorite one called Total Annihilation is at the top, and it is not a very well known one. Other games that Blizzard has, I can not really comment on the Warcraft games since I never played them, but again, I do respect like the old Warcraft 2 and such since they helped to get the RTS genera going. The only other game is WoW, which I think is one of the most horrible games ever created since it looks bad, could only keep me happy for about an hour, and just really does not play like I think an RPG should. I really can not put what I think is why I hate it so much, but there is just something about how it is done, oh and the control scheme I think is the most needlessly complicated one I have ever used. Oh dear here we go. To start off, you just came with a different viewpoint on a good game. Saying it still is patched after 8 years doesn't meen it's still flawed (though it is still flawed), but that it's still supported. Patches mean that gamers have found a bug in the game, and blizzard (which provides you with free internet service for online play and no monthly fee for patches) is kind enough to fix that bug. They give no warrenty besides the purchase of the game that it will be supported even 8 years later and help improve it. Now It's been a while since last patch, and a lot of people think Blizzard has stoped caring about D2. Not long ago they said they where working on patches for WC3, D2, SC, WoW and SC2. Again a lot of people believe it's just going to be a patch so you can play without a CD, but I hope they fix some bugs and increase the security in the game. There are always bugs in a game, always. They can fix 1, and a new one appears, they can fix that and something else is coming to the surface. No game is ever perfect, but D2 comes darn close to that, people just don't see it. Most people see a game with outdated graphics and repetetive game play but balance issues in both PvM and PvP. While this is true there are ways around it so to speak. In 0.9 for instance bowazons ruled the pvp scene but buriza and guided arrow (which could penetrate an enemy and come back again for a second hit). Now hammerdins are overpowered. There is only 1 monster type in the entire game immune to it, and it's only found in hell games in act 3. Apart from having insane damage (17k) it's also spammable, non blockable (except for assassins) and non resistable or absorbable. You can basicly kill any melee character in the game without so much as lifting a finger (pvp) while casters give you a harder time. BUT paladins in general are overpowered (unbalanced). They get nice defence and block rating as a skill, nice amounts of life, high damage (both melee and caster) and an array of spells and auras to help them. On top of that casters can easily swap in max res/absorb gear to negate ANY other elemental damage, meaning only a few classes give them a hard time. Ok I'm starting to ramble too much here. Anyway my point is even though it's unbalanced and need patches it's not neccescery the devs fault. Patches are needed to fix loopholes being exploited by players who don't give a damn, and to increase security when hackers and dupers find new methods to twist the game into their liking. So you can say the game is flawed after 8 years and still needs patches, or you can say Blizzard care about the game and releases new patches to help make the community better. Sooo we could sit here and discuss viewpoints back and forth or we can settle on the fact that D2 was and is a great game (which you allready did, just wanted to point it out again ) Warcraft 2 and 3 was and is great games. I only vaguely remember WC2 but 3 and the expansion The Frozen Throne was amazing. Good storry, good game play and awesome maps (custom made on battle.net). It's got so many various and advanced games created by fans that just learning those could almost be like learning a totally new game. It's got replay value if you can make yourself try new things, and it's fun just to try different combinations and see how it works out. I'm not sure what else to point out since it's not a game I would be very expirienced in, but it's a game I enjoy. I'm not going to touch much on SC part apart from the fact I think it's a great game. I agree it may not be among the top RTS games out there, but it's still a great game and very popular. Some people even made a living out of playing SC, and there is not so many other games people can do that. It's basicly CS and SC that I know of, and perhaps D2 if you can find the right group of people to target. WoW Is a game I totally despise! Forcing you to play with others, and not being able to log on for 20 minutes and feel like you've actually accomplished something. It's time consuming, addictive and it ruins some peoples lives. Sure other games are time consuming and addictive, but WoW and some MMO's take it to the extreme. Let's just take D2. I can log on and play for 20 mins or a half hour, or I can log on and play for hours and I would feel I accomlished something. Be it mfing, duelling or helping others or just chat with friends. Now I could compare D2 to Sacred. Sacred has set, rare, magical and unique items (as do D2). Sacred has different classes, differrent skills and different lvling and character development system than D2. D2 got sockets in items to improve equipment, and gems/runes to go with it, and runes can be used to make runewords. Sacred got sockets with runes (used for CA (equivelant of skills in D2)), rings, skulls etc to go with sockets as well as different streangth's of sockets. An improvement from D2. Sacred got "choppy" game play, it's easy to get stuck and lots of bugs compared to D2. Overall imho D2 is better, however Sacred is better at some points, and are in fact more fun to play at times. It's got its ups and downs as every other game, but the fact that such a game recieved so little attention is really sad. 1 failing from the Sacreds side, no storryline in online gameplay which kinda suck imho. But hey I can live with that to play such a great game. Btw I'm not bashing it, just pointing out some stuff I've noticed that's different from D2. The fact you got mounts to ride is really awesome! But I've rambled on enough about this now =P You did not give me anything to go off of for Southpark, but I just do not like it mainly due to it being on a cable network. When the series first came out I actually enjoyed it, but as it moved on I found that it seemed the people did not have to be as creative as needed to be funny, and relied too much on simple vulgarity. Now that can be fun for a while, but it quickly got too similar for me. I like shows that are on stations that have more strict rules since then the creators have to find ways to get things past the censorship groups. I know lots of people like it, and will not agree with me, but that is the idea. Like I love the Simpsons, but I found, through Sacred, that many people overseas hate it and do not understand why anybody would like it, and I think that it is due to most of the comedy in it being geared towards making fun of Americans, so it does not translate well, but that is something that Southpark could do well with its more simple humor that all could enjoy, so it does have that advantage. I agree that they sometimes play too much on the vulgar stuff, but most of the time I find it fun. It's comedy, and shouldn't be taken seriously no matter how vulgar it becomes. It's just like Family Guy or Futurama, they just take it a step further. I can't say I'm a die hard fan, but I don't say no to whatching an episode of it either. I disagree on the respect of Sports - and occasionally South Park. I have always been an athlete, playing sports since I was able to walk. There are pictures of me at like 2 years old with a baseball bat hitting a ball thrown to me... I cannot stand to watch sports however, so if that is what you are talking about I guess I can't really disagree. Playing sports has kept me in shape basically up until the point where I stopped, and although it hasn't really taught me anything it was a great way to pass time and meet people. I still occasionally play tennis, and I've been trying to get a few friends together to play a pickup game of soccer. The part about soccer being a gay sport was more of a joke. I hate whatching sports, but I can enjoy playing it from time to time. In fact I was on a soccer team when I was younger, did lots of different sports and trained martial arts. I've kinda grown out of it though, and I don't enjoy it as much anymore. Hmm Lets see... Things I hate... liars cheaters users Women who assist liars, cheaters, and users Stinky cheese chipotle (burns my lungs no matter what its cooked in) Rap/hiphop bible thumpers
World of Warcraft!!!!!! Used to not mind it... But dont even ask my view on it now...
hmmmm.... Know theres more.. But Im not as bitter today as I was yesterdayI totally agree on all those points (except chipotle, don't know what it is), and especially agree on WoW. I used to not mind it so much, but now I hate it. Okay I will agree with you guys that South Park is really vulgar, but I love it anyway! It endlessly amuses me how far they'll go and the creative ways they come up with to make fun of and/or trash just about everyone. Hehe same here. Totally agree on that! =D Okay things I hate: Video games that make you pay a monthly fee to play them! Reality TV Shows People who get pissed when you expect them to take responsibility for their actions. Snow! Jehovah Witnesses harassing me at my home in order to convert me! Agree on all that as well. Especially snow part despite living in Norway. Phew. That was the end of one really long post ;D
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Post by AREA666 on Jun 11, 2008 13:06:46 GMT -5
Oh man, I will have to read that last one there later kori since it will take all day to do it.
I forgot that, like Ari, I too hate the religious fanatics, and rap/hiphop/r&b/etc.
I think most people seem to not like sports for the same reason I do. I really do not care for them in any respect, like I do not care to compete against others, so if I am going to do something athletic it is going to just be me against myself in like running, or me against an inanimate object, like lifting weights. But for me, yes, it is the watching I think that annoys me the most since it does nothing. So I suppose I should say I hate the fans the most. The people playing it are fine, but I think they should not get anything near what they do in pay, but the same goes for like actors and whatnot too.
It is a good thing that around here we are not people, otherwise Griff would hate us, but we are mearly a bunch of binary representations that get displayed as various characters, images, or sounds, phew.
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Post by korialstraz on Jun 11, 2008 15:13:21 GMT -5
I can hardly wait for the reply AREA ;D I don't share you're view on sports though. I can enjoy playing some sports every now and then, but I don't like whatching it, nor do I care much about the people who play it. Well behind that binary representation there are humans. Griff is aware of that right? *Hides* ;D
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Post by Night Ω Wolfe on Jun 11, 2008 15:20:52 GMT -5
Okay got a new one, I HATE the fact that....
The people we entrust to take care of and educate our children for 6 hours a day get paid very little, but actors, musicians, athletes, etc. get paid millions to PLAY while forming drug habits and living in such a way that really degenerates the quality of humanity in general!!
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Post by korialstraz on Jun 11, 2008 15:24:04 GMT -5
That's actually a good thing to hate (gosh that sounded awkward).
I hate those know it all people that actually don't know as much as they think they do.
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Post by AREA666 on Jun 11, 2008 21:14:26 GMT -5
Ok then, let me see. It seems we are on the same page with patching there, we both realize that no software will ever be perfect, so patching is inevitable. After giving it some thought I think that the thing that gets me about the patching is, as I was saying with SC, and that you hinted at a little, is that Blizzard is trying for perfect balance. Now normally I would like this idea, like I like there to be a balance of flavor with food, and I like symmetry in things, but in games, not so much. My issue would be that Blizzard is trying for something that is not only impossible to do, but is also futile to try since it will ruin things. Imagine a RPG, or an RTS that is perfectly balanced and you should be able to imagine how boring it would be. Two people go into a PVP fight, and they know how to counter everything the other person will do, so all it will come down to is who screws up first looses, no skill is involved. If one character is horribly overpowered or horribly underpowered that is a different issue, but there is no need for balance. Take Sacred here, I love the vamp, and she is the weakest char in the game, and will basically never win a PVP fight, and she sucks when not in vamp mode, but I still play her. Why? Well the challenge is part of the fun, and I just like vamps, so I do not mind things like that. I would like to see Ascaron have patched Sacred more, since I think it is the most buggy game I have ever played and liked, but they are also a very small company, so I understand they can not. If there were to try and keep patching forever and try and get chars balanced they would run into the same thing the Blizzard runs into with Diablo, SC, and mainly WoW; they are always going to have somebody upset with them. Their char used to be great, and now is not, or is to a lesser extent. I think it is better to not screw with things and let the community figure out how to do things for themselves, which I think is something the Sacred community has excelled at. Again though, if there is a major issue, then yes, it should be addressed, but the minor tweaking and whatnot, no, in my opinion of course.
While I never played any of the Diablo games, I do not look at them and think, oh this game is outdated. I know the era it came from, and for that era it looks good, and as I said before I respect it. I think that the most influential RPG games, would be Diablo for the action RPG, Final Fantasy VII for the console type, and Baldurs Gate for the story driven ones. All of those games may look outdated today, and are likely more simple than what is out now, but they all contributed to what games there are now, and that is no minor feat.
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Post by korialstraz on Jun 12, 2008 6:16:02 GMT -5
So we got the same view on patches, but I don't totally agree with you on balancing. Sure in some games it's good that it's not perfectly balanced, but in D2 I think it would be better. Sure you can say that if it's perfectly balanced it is (for pvp at least) just a matter of who screw up first. Well for diablo it's not that simple. You often screw up in duels. Even the pros does because it's really very advanced form of gaming so to speak. Not only is there 7 different classes, but most of those also have at least 3+ builds to play with. After that there is the individual play style of different people. I have done a bit o pvp myself, and sometimes I can own a character typ/build without problem, then someone else with exact same build (and more or less same items) come along and just walk all over me. So now I duel the same build as before, but against a different person with different tactics. So if the game was perfectly balanced you could learn to counter a few basic attacks, but in the end it's the ability to adapt that will earn you victory. That's the part I like about D2. If you can't adapt you won't as easily win. Adapting could be changing out some items, changing tactics or just try something completely different in order to win. Let me give an example of poorly thought out system. You can take my char as an example. I can deal almost 43k dmg, but people can but on char that will completely negate all damage. Then we have a melee char dealing 5k damage that can only be reduced by 50% after the pvp penalty of 1/6 original damage. Then there is magical damage which is unresistable which deals about 3k damage before pvp penalty, then there is the pala with 17k unresistable damage before penalty. It's not even slightly balanced In anyway to further prove my point on balancing (at least regarding D2) I can list classes and builds. Amazon: Bow ama Charged strike ama Hybrid of bow and charged strike. Assassin: Trapsin Whirlwind (ww) sin Ww/trap hybrid Kick/trap hybrid Druid: Werewolf fury Werewolf rabies Werewolf fury/rabies or rabies/fury hybrid Werebear fire claw Werebear maul (I think that's a build used but not sure) Wind druid Fire based (not shape but spells) druid. Barberian: Ww Singer Conc Frenzy Sorceress: There are variations of almost all of those builds below that use Energy Shield which drains mana and a little life when hit instead of the char taking the full hit from it's mana pool. Fire bolt/ball Lightning Nova (lightning based) Blizzard Frozen orb Paladin: Smiter Zealer Fist of Heavens (FoH) Smite/FoH or FoH/Smite Hammerdin Smite/hammer or hammer/smite Auradin Necromancer: Summoner Bone nec Poison nec And then think about all the different people having their own unique playstyle, and some off the wall build like characters with cross class skills from items On top of that there are some techniques you can learn like name locking, chainlock, delayd tele and desynching (only possible on fast moving chars not including tele). The variaty is so big that even with perfectly balanced chars it would still be tons of fund to play ;D I will have to agree with what games affected different genres of the game industry except for perhaps Baldur's Gate since I never tried that one.
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Post by griffman on Jun 12, 2008 9:44:44 GMT -5
Baldur's gate is amazing. BTW I would like to know why you listed the different builds for the characters - I thought you were going to say which ones were weak or something. Were you just listing them to say that there are tons of builds to use?
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Post by korialstraz on Jun 12, 2008 9:59:15 GMT -5
Yea just listing them to show how many there is. I don't know the weaknesses for all of them, and it would take a crap load of time to write My point was even though the game is perfectly balanced it will be very difficult to remember how to counter every attack in the game with 7 other people out in the area in act 1 fighting eachother.
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