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Post by AREA666 on Nov 27, 2006 21:17:05 GMT -5
I think it will be interesting to see what happens when those of us who are under 30 right now have to deal with the young people in the future when we are like 50 or so. The tattoo thing has come up here a few times and I think the only reason people hiring find it a big problem is because it is something that I would say in the 80s and earlier was a sign of rebellion where in more recent times it is done for fun, need, or simply because of just how many people have them now. I know I do not have any and probably never will since I doubt I could ever find a picture I would like on me forever, but when I am the one who hires I really doubt I will care if somebody has a tattoo. I plan to have my own small business so I know that hiring will be something I will have to deal with. I am also very accepting of people, so it might get me into problems. I also am curious as to why it really matters so much what a person wears to an interview? I can see some relevance to it if their clothes are completely torn, dirty, etc. but I also would have no problem with somebody who wore like shorts and a t-shirt. Actually I would also not have a problem if their clothes were torn and dirty if that was what the norm of the time is since I do not think it would be fair to force somebody to be in the standards of old.
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Post by Night Ω Wolfe on Nov 27, 2006 22:12:01 GMT -5
Because when people dress badly it can mean that it is because they are too lazy to dress nicely.... and you don't want lazy people working for you. Also if a guy shows up with pants around his knees it is probably his "style" because he thinks he's a gangsta... and you don't want one of those working for you either.
Now when I say dress nicely I don't necessarily mean that you have to dress in nice slacks and button up shirt or for girls in a dress or skirt. I know I definitely don't I HATE dresses and skirts. But I will wear something like a nice, clean, well fitting pair of jeans. Maybe some heeled, leather boots and a nice sweater. Something that looks good on ME and is clean and makes me look well kept. Also the boots and the sweater make the jeans more classy instead of casual. The biggest concern in my opinion when hiring is do a person's clothes fit them and are they clean and not full of wrinkles. A persons style of dress can really mean a lot about a person. Most people choose a style for a reason. Not always but certainly as a general rule.
baggy pants around knees and hats = gangsta lots of black and chains on clothes = can mean rockish or dark and brooding, on occasion it means that they want to shock people or push them away dirty, wrinkled clothes = lazy, doesn't care enough about themselves or anything else to do laundry slutty, short clothes = desperate need of attention, particularly from men which is a huge sign of low self-esteem
There are more but that is just a basis. Also this is just MOST of the time. There are certainly people that actually LIKE the way a style looks but does not fall into the stereotypes above.
My husband for instance falls into the second category except when he dresses for ME. This is because he is dark, brooding and hates people so wants them to avoid him at all costs. Although he will sometimes claim otherwise but I don't believe him.
I'm not sure if there is even a stereotype for my "style".... I wear a lot of jeans but the tops are never teeshirts. Mostly tank tops in the summer and sweaters in the winter. I dress just for comfort not for style. I like a lot of my winter shirts to be slightly over-sized to increase their cozy warmth. And tank tops to be tight but never where my belly shows. I just about never wear anything short either when wearing shorts or the rare times I wear dresses or skirts. In fact most of my dresses and skirts are ankle length. It is all about how comfortable I am... whether I can sit anyway I want or kneel down to chat to my daughter without giving someone a good show. Stuff like that. I HATE nylon stockings because they are soo uncomfortable so I won't wear anything that requires them... hence the ankle length stuff. I wear Birkenstock sandals most of the year cause they are very comfortable to walk in and easy to slip on and off. And I looooove pajamas cause they are comfy, cozy and I can curl up in a ball on the couch or in my computer chair when wearing them. I just generally care more about how comfy I feel than whether people think I am stylish... also I NEVER wear makeup. The whole spending 20 minutes in the morning to put it on and 15 in the evening to take it off is just ridiculous to me. I have so many better things to do than make myself up so that people think I am prettier or whatever. Not to mention it is really bad for your skin. And over time can bleach out the natural coloring in your face so that you HAVE to wear it. Forget that crap!
Wow okay I have soooo gone on too long.... I just hate people obsessing over looks and styles. It is annoying because it just really shouldn't take that long to get dressed in the morning. I don't have anyone I need to impress. As far as I am concerned as long as my husband still thinks I am sexy than I am all set.
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Post by AREA666 on Nov 28, 2006 8:27:02 GMT -5
It seems like you are sort of contradicting youself a little there. You are saying how you do not like people obsessing over looks and styles, yet most of your points seem to be obsessions about them, or something along those lines. I just think people put way to much emphasis on superficial things now a days. I know I am not exempt from that myself since there are some skater kids around here that I hate and one of those reasons is how they dress. I do not know them personally so they could be good people, but I have put to much emphasis on their clothes, although their actions do support my hate of them anyway. One thing I will say though is it seems that your grouping is somewhat like how I would group people and I think that is because of our age. Like some of those preconceptions are not nearly as true now as they were in the 80s and early 90s. Like the pants down to the ankles or just being really baggy I have to say I do not see nearly as many people like that now and it seems to have moved more to white people only who want to be gangsters or just white trashy people, where before it was done by far many more. Well I could go on, but I have to go learn things now.
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Post by Night Ω Wolfe on Nov 28, 2006 9:09:55 GMT -5
Haha ya know what? I kinda noticed the contradiction while I was writing it. I guess my point was that too many people spend too much time about their clothing and "style". Which I first off think is just dumb. But secondly it is almost like they WANT to be stereotyped and that has to do with what style they pick. Whereas if more people would just dress based on what is physically comfortably there would be a lot less of this pre-judgment crap going on and a lot more time to do other things than picking out outfits in the morning. Also it was sort of a rant in the end about women specifically and their need to make themselves artificially "beautiful".
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Post by AREA666 on Nov 28, 2006 13:52:37 GMT -5
Well I totally agree with the makeup thing sicne I do not like women wearing it anyway. I also forgot to say that you clothing "style" would be the comfort one. I do that one as well since I wear shorts and t-shirts pretty much year round. When it snows though I wear one of those sweat shirt pull over things. the only time I wear something other then that is pretty much if I have having fun. Like wearing my old style pin stripe ganster suit to Mc Donalds or something.
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Post by AREA666 on Nov 28, 2006 13:58:37 GMT -5
I guess I also really cant complaign to much though about older people not liking how younger people are because I know I can not wait till I am a grizzly old man of like 70 or 80 so I can sit on my porch and yell at the whipper-snappers, hippies, etc. So I guess it is one of the rights that people gain with time. For now though I am having fun taking the side of the group that it seems like is more less represented here, although I am up against people who are not only intelligent, but have the wisdom that comes with age that I am lacking. Up hill battles can be fun though, especially so long as nobody gets mad or anything here and we continue to discuss/argue, or whatever in a nonviolet fashion.
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Post by Night Ω Wolfe on Nov 28, 2006 14:39:03 GMT -5
Hehe well I just enjoy ranting in general sometimes so I am more than capable of keeping in friendly. I think ranting is "good for the soul". Letting out frustrations in a rant... even if the rant isn't what is causing your frustrations can be a great stress reliever.
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Post by greyeagle on Nov 29, 2006 9:53:59 GMT -5
I am nudging 60 and wear jeans and t-shirts most of the time. Of course my life is centered around animals, and they don't care what you look like! They accept you for what you are. Public dress should be nice ( a neat pair of pants, nice shirt,ect) Hair must be clean, if long, put it in a pony tail or pull it back and clip it. Make up-- Most ladies don't need it. It is a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use. During my working days, I had jobs where I could wear my jeans and boots.
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Post by Hallelujah on Nov 29, 2006 12:52:27 GMT -5
I agree that makeup is not necessary for most women. I have a friend who was accused of running around on her husband just because she wore makeup, jewelry and dressed nicely. What kind of crap is that? #baffled#
Since I work around machines, jeans and nice t-shirts or sweaters are the norm for me. Anything nice gets ruined, so even though I work around the public, I don't wear overly nice clothes.
I don't understand being rejected for a job because of tattoos. If you are clean, dressed well and qualified... What's the problem? Perhaps if the tattoos and/or piercings were extreme and all over someones face or something it could be seen as a problem, but otherwise I don't see the big deal. Underwear hanging is just disgusting though. Although I recently discovered that boxers hanging out are much better than dirty tighty-whities! #sick#
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Post by griffman on Nov 29, 2006 14:50:06 GMT -5
Although I recently discovered that boxers hanging out are much better than dirty tighty-whities! #sick# The dirty tighty-whities are my favorite to see hanging out of a guys pants. It is almost euphoric every time I see it. I agree that makeup is not necessary for most women. I have a friend who was accused of running around on her husband just because she wore makeup, jewelry and dressed nicely. What kind of crap is that? #baffled# I agree with the no makeup comment too... my girlfriend never understands that she doesn't need it. That whole getting accused because of wearing makeup and jewelry is a little intense, but I could see why it could be seen as true. I mean if she always dresses really nicely some may take it as she is trying to pick people up. That doesn't necessarily mean its true though.... I'm glad I haven't had any friends accused of that yet, of course I'm 19 and only 1 friend of mine is married so far...
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Post by greyeagle on Nov 29, 2006 15:27:40 GMT -5
Just remember that "fools names and fools faces are seen in public places". Also " Small things amuse small minds". If a person choses to dress nice and wear make up consistently, it does not mean that they are on the make. It just says that they like to look that way. In other words-- that is their way and should not be put sown or accused of things that they are not guily of. several ladies I know ( over 70) still wear make up and nice clothes all the time. One lady is 82.
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Post by Night Ω Wolfe on Nov 29, 2006 15:31:12 GMT -5
Oh and I am not saying you need to dress super nicely ALL the time... but it is somewhat important do dress well for an interview. I mean heck one of my last jobs before I had to stop working was for a limo company and I dealt with all the customers over the phone so if I really wanted to I could wear pajamas to work and no one one have cared. I didn't of course wear pajamas but I did wear nothing but jeans and tank tops... except in the winter when I wore hooded sweatshirts or sweaters.
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